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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:04:00 -
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After all, aren't those organized ship tournaments they hold in this game sort of the same thing?
I admit I never took part in one or even watched one but it sounds suspiciously like a controlled PvP arena type setting to me.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Malicious Wraith
Your asking to get flamed. This is a troll post and deserves a lock.
Either that or the OP really doesent know what he is getting himself into.
Wrong on both accounts.
1) I am not trolling. I am asking a question. I would say YOU are trolling though.
2) Yeah I know what i am getting myself into. Idiots like you are going to post something totally off topic or just say "WoW sucks" even though that wasn't the point?
Sound about right?
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I think players believe it will be just a grind like the WoW battlegrounds are, but it all depends on how ccp sets it up. Im convinced it could be made to work. Basically pvp missions with objectives.
I think ccp wants people to go to 0.0 and live the alliance life to do that sort of stuff though, but there is so many things about 0.0 that make it unsuitable for casual players.
I agree that is probably CCP's view but there is a lot of evidence which contridicts it. Deadspace or Missions are in a way like "battlegrounds." They are instanced.
The reason I started this thread wasn't to suggest that WoW BGs should be put in but I was wondering what makes them different from things which are in the game already? The population seems so against it too.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: getmoving
firstly, unless your having a go a wow its realy not a good idea to mention that game on this forum, your just going to get wtfbbq owned.
secondly, no never.
If this thread lasts this long, stick around for a couple of pages and you will see that i rarely get ...how did you put it?.... "wtfbbq owned" on a forum. I can stoop down to anyone's level and then some.
I understand what you are trying to say though. Just mentioning the word "WoW" will bring the idiots out of the woodwork. Thanks for your concern but I will be okay. 
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hasak Rain on 03/08/2007 13:29:15
Originally by: PhantomVyper
Originally by: Hasak Rain
I agree that is probably CCP's view but there is a lot of evidence which contridicts it. Deadspace or Missions are in a way like "battlegrounds." They are instanced.
No they are not instanced. Either you don't understand what an instance is or you don't understand the way missions and deadspace complexes work in EVE, either way you are wrong.
As for battlegrounds, they are the worst kind of PVP implementation that I know of, they killed PVP in WoW (wich wasn't that great to beguin with), and wouldn't add anything to the PVP environment in EVE.
Actually, PvP in WoW was an after thought. It was tacked on at the end of it's development. It didn't kill pvp in WoW because it never really existed in the first place.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hasak Rain on 03/08/2007 13:40:02
Edited by: Hasak Rain on 03/08/2007 13:39:09
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Tarren Mill zerging was actually great fun, much in the same sense as a death match in a first person shooter is fun. For a while. 
I admit I never played WoW and only read about their PvP on forums. The person who said that i don't understand exactly what an "instant BG" was also correct.
However, i do know what a controlled PvP environment is and I do know that the WoW BGs are suppose to be exactly that. I also know EvE ALREADY has controlled pvp environments {touneys} in it so what is the difference? I am not trolling, i just would like to know why the player base is so against it considering they are already in the game in one form or another?
Sorry for quoting you so many times Jim but you are the only one who seems capable of having a mature discussion about this.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Asestorian
The problem is that the foundations of EVE are laid on the non-consensual "world" PvP. If you add these controlled battleground everyone will just go into them, just like they did in WoW, and the world PvP stagnates and becomes boring.
Want a fight? Just go to the BG.
If that happens then EVE is dead. I don't feel there is a need for such a thing.
Don't we already have things which accomplish this "stagnation" though? People avoid PvP by carebearing. Mission running, Mining ect. Empire space and Concord also prevent combat.
It could be argued that these "carebears" avoid PvP because of the fear of being outnumbered. A BG type situation might get these players to learn to like PvP if they feel like they aren't getting outnumbered or "ripped off" from their PvP experience.
It could also be argued that EvE needs more places to fight. When 95% of the combat takes place at a gate, I think I am right about that.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vorketh Mordanil
There is yet another difference. Ships lost in these tournaments are not restored. People have brought rare reward ships and lost them forever in these tourneys. WoW PVP isn't gratifying simply because you both gain nothing but "honor" points, and you lose absolutely nothing but wear and tear durability. EVE PVP is about the fear of loss, and the joy of delivering such fear and loss unto others. Want a guaranteed fight? Go to 0.0 and hang out at a gate.
So why can't ships in a BG not be restored as well?
I never said it had to be risk free.
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blacktail
Hasak, if you really don't know, part of the reason people say you are trolling is because we just had 3 or 4 of the exact same thread roll through here like, yesterday.
I'll answer you with the same thing I posted in each of those threads:
"While I agree with the OP's sentiment, I wholeheartedly disagree with the implementation. One of the earlier posters had put it as a way for people to "have their cake and eat it too". I think that's a perfect way of describing it.
If anything, EVE needs more immersion, more interactivity, and more pull away from the safety and banality of empire space. The possibility of reward in the face of great risk should pull people away from empire, into low and zero security space. With an instanced battlefield available for empire-dwellers, where is the encouragement to spread out and populate lower security space?
It basically adds a barrier that chops EVE in half between people who want chaos and unpredictability, and people who want all the cards laid on the table before they risk their money.
I'd much rather have the chaotic EVE. Daring empire entrepeneurs should be constantly tempted by the luctrative rewards of lower security space. Pirates should be drawn in turn by the lucrative rewards those PVE'ers carry. Force more interaction, and the more negative, the better, I say! It should be a constant, unavoidable struggle between the two. And the greater the risk, the greater the reward.
As an afterthought: If PVE'ers can assemble a 5 man gang to fight in these supposed battlegrounds, why can't they take that 5 man gang and go to low or zero security. In my experience that's a great roaming gang size. Enough people to win 75% of the fights you'd get, and small enough to escape from the other 25%. What's stopping people from doing that other than fear of the unknown?"
I am not saying you are wrong or disagree with your views. I was just throwing the question out there.
I also don't know what was posted yesterday or care. If people want to believe that I am trolling I could care less. As long as the mods know that I am not doing that.
I have seen quite a few posts on these boards in the past about how people don't want EvE to become like WoW and then the Tournaments popped into my head and I realized those seem similar to a WoW BG from what I heard of the latter's description. I just made this thread to ask you guys my question about it and find out what the difference is.
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